TO ALL GRADE 9 LITERATURE STUDENTS...
GREETINGS!
Here's your first blog assignment for our LOTF novel...BLUE day classes, 9B & 9C, have until Friday evening, 05 October 2007, 11:59PM to post their responses...while GREEN day class, 9A, have until Saturday evening, 06 October 2007, 11:59PM to post theirs. Everyone who posts after their designated schedule gets an automatic zero for it.
LITERATURE 9B
How did governance, and the lack of it, influence and affect the choir boys in the island? Give specific examples from the movie to support your answers and make sure your response does not go beyond 15 sentences.
LITERATURE 9C
What did Ralph's statement, "The rules are the only thing we got...!" signify or imply in reference to the brewing conflict between Ralph and Jack? Give specific examples from the movie to support your answers and make sure your response does not go beyond 15 sentences.
LITERATURE 9A
When Ralph asked Piggy from the movie, "What's wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?" What response do you think was he fishing for from Piggy and why do you think so? Give specific examples from the movie to support your answers and make sure your response does not go beyond 15 sentences.
That's it...be ready for our GOR next meeting when we discuss the story LOTF. Have a great weekend, everyone, and be safe always...CIAO!!!
Mr. A
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I think “The rules are the only thing we got” that Ralph states, signified the conflict at the end because, Ralph is the one who insist the “rescue” of them. On the other hand Jack is the one who wanted to convert his hunters to savages. For example, in the movie, there was a part, where Piggy was talking, with the conch, but Jack interrupted him. This tells us that, he doesn’t even care about the rules that are made, and definitely doesn’t believe in the statement that Ralph had mentioned. But, to Ralph, as a leader, he told them that, in order to have a chance of being rescued, they need to be united, so they need rules, which shows clearly that, Ralph does care about the rules. The saying of “The rules are the only thing we got…!” because, the conflict sort of start there. Their chain of thought was different since that point. And once a disagreement was made, the conflict begins.
The statement "The rule are the only thing we got" stands a very important role not only in the story but also in the book. Them, the kids, being deserted on the island got nothing much but other kids to support them. If they couldn't stay united, then they might as well just commit suicide. According to Ralph, they had to follow all rules so they could live on without having conflict. Everyone agreed,however soon enough, there's Jack telling rubbish about turning into hunters, where you feast all night long, have fun. Which soon became the downfall of the usual party or tribe. Here it shows not only rules can unite us, but without rules, we're nothing but, uncivilized savages and barbarians.
I think that "The rule are the only thing we got" signified an important idea, because those kids on the Island were helpless, all they could do is to wait for rescue. However, before they were saved, they have to survive during the time between. And to live on this island people should work together as a team (united), or else they can be compared to those helpless insects on a spider web. Having rules is an easy way to get people stayed together as a group, and the line "The rules are the only thing we got” was stated by Ralph. However soon enough, Jack had started to make up all those useless ideas and action which soon brings them into darkness. Jack, the leader of the hunters/savages and where Ralph is the “good” guy. The conflict started while their civilized ideas started to fall apart, without civilized people will just gone crazy like what Jack had became in the movie.
I think Ralph’s statement signifies the conflict between him and Jack because Ralph cared about them getting rescue and Jack, on the other hand, only cared about hunting and having fun. At first, Jack spoke when he didn’t have the conch. Then, he began to form his own tribe of hunters and became savages. Jack thought that the rules were not important. However, the rules are the things that can unite and organize them so they won’t be fighting. If they are united, they can work together to survive and be rescue. I think Ralph said that “The rules are the only thing we got…” because the only thing that they could do during that time is be united. If they fall apart, then they will soon die or become savages like Jack and his tribe. At that point, Jack and Ralph were having different opinions which caused the conflict.
Literatur 9A
When Ralph asked the question, I think that he wanted an answer which supported his behavior and decisions. The time he asked was when he was loss in the situation that most people chooses Jack’s group because it has more fun/freedom (in the movie, they, not including Sam and Eric, are willing and excited of joining Jack). Therefore, he was wondering if he was really right or wrong to think things in his point of view (saving the others and get rescued), so he wants someone to stand on his side, he also shows his helplessness and fear in the movie (the way he asks). He wanted answers like: “Things went wrong but you are right. We shall keep the smoke going and hope that we’ll get rescued, we shall not become savages, and we need rules. The others just loose control of themselves for this time because they have no place to escape from this situation, they will come back and things will be fine.”
"The rules are the only thing we got...!" signify the conflict by that if the children didn’t put themselves with rules, soon they will lose their mind on things that they should be thinking about; not becoming savages, being rescued…etc. Because of being on the island with no grownups, the longer they live on the island, the chances of becoming a beast is bigger. So they will have to make up rules and cooperate, but when Ralph first suggest who being the leader between Jack and Ralph, conflict starts to show its tail, we can see that when Jack is unhappy with Ralph when they met each other. That’s why later Jack leaves the small community with his “hunters” and formed a new community (in which the people in Jack's community are from Ralph’s community).
I think The rules are the only thing we got...!" is very important to the conflit between Ralph and Jack. Its like the kids and other have nothing but only wait for other men to rescue them. Ralph think that they need to be rescue, but Jack on that island is to have fun and hunt to live. So they need to be united to live on the island, but if they seperate they will die.(Ralph think like that). So this make the conflict between the Jack and Ralph begin.
I think If there were no rules in the island. The choir boys couldn't organize themselves because they didn't know what was right or wrong. They just did it to make them look mature and responsible.For example,the part that the plane flew by island. Jack took everyone with him for hunting the pig for their food. He showed that he could lead everyone,but he had forgotten the main point of escaping from this island. It made the fire had gone away, so they missed the best opportunity to getting out of island.
The governance was very important because having it the choir boys knew what to do, and not to do. It was the only thing they had on the island, and united them. However, many boys were too young and selfish to understand how important governance was, so they broke the rules and just did what they wanted to do. Things started to get worse and not organized when they were not following the rules; the fire went out because Jack wanted to hunt more than doing what he supposed to do. Finally, boys, especially Jack, were not listening Ralph anymore.
In my opinion,the choir boys could not unite themselves without the rules. They were still young,but they tried to act like they are adults. They didn't listen to each other, and thought that their own decisions were correct. Although,Ralph was voted as a leader, but most of people still didn't respect him. It showed that the young leader, without adults, seemed useless. So,they broke the rules and isolated to be another tribe. Everything is in chaos and getting worse. Finally,they were enemies to each othr.
I think the choir boys at least are not respect the rules. At the first time, they probably obey the rules Ralph states. But they start not to trust in the rules. I think the cheif that makes this situation is Jack. For example, he had querrel with Piggy and did everything without him (may be Jack obstruct Piggy everything)like when Piggy was gave out some ideas with the conch, followed the rules but Jack grabbed the conch from Piggy' hands out. It's shows that he didn't want to stey with them (start seperate out). So, they seperate, more savages, and not united. It's really make troubles in thier coexist. And far away from to make the rescue together.
I think the statement that Ralph mentioned, “The rules are the only thing we got!” signify the conflict between Ralph and Jack about how both of them think about rules. For Ralph, rules are very important, because without rules people won’t be organized. Ralph wants every kid to be organized on the island because there are no adults on the island. They have to look after themselves and in order to do so, everyone have to follow rules. Rules united people and make people civilized. Without rules human changed, from civilized to barbaric, like Jack in the movie and book. As we can see that Jack doesn’t really obey the rules, he don’t care about rules, he want everything to be what he wants them to be. An example in the story could be; when it was Piggy turn to talk and he got the conch, Jack won’t let him talk because he just hates Piggy. “The rules are the only thing we got!” maybe means that rules are the only thing left on the island with them, the only thing that they could do on that island with out an adult is to set up rules and follow the rules in order for everything to work out right. Civilizations without rules are chaotic.
At the beginning of the story, they saw the need for governance and chose Ralph as their leader. But Jack the leader of choir boys, was not chosen leader and was very jealous. Jack started to concern about hunting and did not care about the signal fire for their rescue. Moreover, Jack split out and made his own tribe. From the movie, Jack said " the conch doesn't count on this island'", means he did not care about the rules anymore and it led to the murder of Piggy. This was the result of a lack of governance.
NUN #9B
I think that “The rules are the only thing we got” that Ralph said was important in the movie because it signified that the only thing that the children on the island could do was to wait for someone to rescue them. This sentence meant that the only thing that those kids could do was to unite with each other. Being on the island with no adults could make the relationship between the children be worst because each child would have their own idea and would wanted to share and let the others listen to them. This refers to the conflict between Ralph and Jack because they were the oldest children in the group and they had difference idea. An example in the movie would be Ralph was always thinking of a way to get back home (want), but Jack was always thinking about hunting and getting food (need). Therefore, being stuck on the island full of children should have rules that everyone would follow and all to be united.
I think that when Ralph said"The rules are the only thing we got" is very important because Ralph is the only one that care about rule and get rescue from the island. First Jack okay with the rule but when he had the idea of "become a hunter" when the time pass he and his choir group enjoied hunt too much that he and his choir group became more savages like people and against the rule that everyone designed together and without the rule they would be saperate into 2 or more side (not unite) and figth for something like food, shelter, etc. That kind of fight would make a big conflict between them and they would become uncivilize people but if they were rules and everyone follow it. They would be no conflict at all, so Simon and Piggy would not die until someone rescue them at the end! That why i think that when Ralph said"The rules are the only thing we got" is very important.
I think that Ralph's statement, "The rules are the only thing we got" signify the importance of every single body on the island co-operating and unifying one another in order to be safe and rescue. Rather than fooling around and act selfishly like Jack. Ralph really wants to be rescue, yet he cares for the whole unlike Jack. For example, Jack was responsible for the signal fire but then one day he went on hunting with his hunters and accidentally let the fire out which really pissed Ralph off because Jack did not do as told. Anyway, if there's no rule then there is definitely no way they are going to be rescue which is why Ralph was trying to make it happened by convincing it to Jack.
Ralph states that “The rules are the only thing we got,” when he talks to Jack who has just said, that, he doesn’t care about rules. Ralph believes in leadership through law and order (He symbolize a society ruled by law.) For example, just recently, because Jack and his hunters did not keep the rule that someone must always guard the fire in order to keep it burning, so a plane passed them by and they were not rescued. Also, previously, everyone agreed to the rule to hold a conch when they wanted to speak, but when someone held the conch and start talking, other people especially Jack would interfere without the conch. And so these meetings always had chaos. As we have seen from these two examples from the movie, not following the rules leads to chaos. Jack on one hand represents savagery and an uncivilized society, while Ralph represents society ruled by law and order. As is also seen from the movie, death occurs when Jack and Ralph separate into two distinct groups, whereas now they are only beginning to break up and none of the children have died at this point of the film.
Lit 9C
(The rules are the only thing we got). I think this statement is started signifies and implies conflict between Ralph and Jack. I think Ralph told that because he wants to get rescue. There had no adult, and no comfortable things. So, that could be make them do everything by themselves. That is make them acted as adult, even ther are so young. It is the only ways and the best ways to do at that time, and it is also Ralph's responsibility to figure out the best things to do. By the way, Jack wanted to be a leader, and that could make he felt moody with Ralph, Jack did not care about the rules.
From my opinion, I think the choir boys were always under the governance but under the different leaders. At the beginning of the movie, Ralph was elected as the leader of the choir boys. But he was failed to lead the group. Then, the choir boys were split into two groups, one group leaded by Ralph and the other leaded by Jack. So Jack was the real ruler of the choir boys in the island.
[This is Howards ,, yea yea~ I know.. I'm just too kind hearted ~ XD]
At first the boys on the island are leaded by Ralph, but then boys are getting divided into two groups. Another group was leaded by the leader of the choir boys, who named Jack.
Ralph was focusing more on thinking ways to go home, and making rules to united the boys. But Jack was thinking more of hunting, having fun, playing. They were all young kids, so of course they were all thinking of playing. And plus the point that it was lack on the island, so all of them were thinking of hunting meat to eat. This lead to the conflict because, they are having different thoughts, and both of them are ought to be the leader on the island.
In my opinion governance was what kept the choir boys united this was what formed the civilization. First they were put together to have a meeting for voting for a chief then setting up rules which that is what the government do. The governance influence was good at first when everyone follows the rules that were made. An example would be Jack that was disagreeing at first still hunt for animals and do what he was assigned. The governance started to influence badly when they were not listening to Ralph rules and were only playing without knowing that their goal was to be rescued. An example for this would be when they became savages and murderers at the end and they just forgot why they were there.
Governance help the children to be more organize. In the movie, when the choir boys lack the idea of governance, they became disorganize, and this lead them to become savage.Rules and laws are the only thing the children got in the island to make them stay on task and be responsible for their work, but when they forgot about the laws, the island became choatic and children fight and kill each other( this happens in the movie). The lack of governance made the choir boys do whatever they wanted to do, this mean that they will not help each other and the chance from getting rescue will be less. In the movie, Jack and Ralph should be cooperate to get out of the island, but instead, Jack and his gang ending up killing their own friends, Simon and Piggy.
Literatur 9A
When the time Ralph asked Piggy that question, all of the kid had moved to Jack's side, the place that full of fun and hunting. In the movie Ralph try to stated in the movie that they should looked after the fire inorder to be rescue. He always said that the laws is the most important. He wanted people to stand on his side and agree with him. In the movie, all the people went to stay with Jack accept Ralph and Piggy, but Sam and Eric are still standing on Ralph side. The twins were not happy that they are staying with Jack. I think Ralph try to show fear and helpful in the movie, to tell that he is he good guy. Ralph is asking that why did the people move to Jack's side but not Ralph's side, Ralph knew that his side is better, and Jack's side is bad. Everything is just try to prove each character's behavior.
I think, The governance is important for the choir boys because if the group choir boys don't has the governance. So they not in the rule and don't know how to do. Because they are so young and it is only thing in the Island. So they need to have a rule. At fist time, every body choose Ralph to be leader and he think that signal of the fire is important for them to go home. But jack think that the hunting is important to them to survive in the Island and that make them to be a savages. So that hard to they recues out of the Island.
The governance was influence and affect the choir boys in the island because it organize and control kids to do thing in certain way, but if they didn't had a governance kids could be disorder, disorganize, selfish and lead to savage. So that's why Ralph is making the rule. But unfortunately, the group of choir boys which had Jack was a leader; they still follow their own rule instead to follow the rule that Ralph was makes. This brought chaotic and also a tension between Ralph and Jack. For example, when they lose a big opportunity to get out of the island because of Jack went to hunting instead he supposed
to make a fire signal. This show us that Jack was smart to get delicious menu for everyone (survive), but NOT Enough he neglects to his responsibility just think of fun and his benefit. Eventually, societies of choir boys were back to the sinful nature of man.
Governance is the major theme of this novel. Throughout the story, the choir boys were stranded on the island without any adult. They tried to organize themselves like the society they used to live in, but there system eventually collapsed because of their childish mind and there their lack of respect toward logic. They became dadaric and ended up killing each other. Some examples are, Jack's lot killed Piggy. It wasn't what they expected, judging by their expression after he died. Simon was also killed. Their life on the island were total chaos. I think this also reflects our society today.
In the beginning of the movie, all of the kids seemed to agree with the rules, and because of these rules made them stayed united, and also remained their civilization. They even chose Ralph to be their leader, which showed that they still had the governance in order to look after themselves. Every kid in the island already realized what they should do while there were waiting for the rescue. They knew it from where they were from, which was the civilization society that the rules needed to be formed if they still wanted to look after themselves and avoided from the problems of hurting each other or even conflicting each other just like when the kids agreed that whoever held the conch could be able to speak and everyone should listen. This is one of the example of governance and the reason why it has influence that affected the choir boys in the movie. Then, the coming of change from governance to savages. The kids started to change, because even they had rules to control them, they still didn’t know what was right or what was wrong, because they’re still too young to understand things well enough and judged it. This is why the governance started to lack the way it used to be or the way it supposed to be. Around the ending of the movie, when Jack and his group made his own tribe, and then he and the kids accidentally killed Simon, because they all thought that Simon was the Beastie. This is the lack of the governance, because there’s on adult who would have told them to stop playing this kind of dangerous game. This is why the governance started to lack a bit ever since all the kids knew that there’s no adult in the island. In the movie, I think that adult had a very important influence of guiding the kids to follow the civilization way of living. The lack of it caused the choir boys to change that way that they lived before to the savage. This is how the lack of the governance effected the choir boys’ living during they were stuck in the island.
At the beginning of the movie when the plane crashed and Ralph call up meeting at the beach, the kids tried to organize themself and making up rules and they tried to establish the system about rules. But eventually the organization and all the rules were broken because they were kids and they were not mature enough to think on what right or wrong. Finally, they ended up killing each other. Jack doesn't care about the rules anymore, because he only concerned about his tribe and hunting. Piggy and Simon was the result of the lack of governance.
LITERATURE 9C
What did Ralph's statement, "The rules are the only thing we got...!" signify or imply in reference to the brewing conflict between Ralph and Jack? Give specific examples from the movie to support your answers and make sure your response does not go beyond 15 sentences.
As Ralph’s state that “The rules are the only thing we got...........!” I think it signify that all the variable in this island, only rules that were able to save them. Rules make them organize and were able to pack them together that will make them stronger as a pack. If they are not together then it is like making all of them to go and kill themselves. Because no one can survive without anyone support or help them. Also we people were rule by rules and laws, but then without rules chaos will be everywhere, no peace. Everyone would be just like an individual nomads or barbarian that hunts by them own. It is simply means that rules make people like human, not like barbarian or savage people. Rules united people so that they were stronger than staying by your own. There were so many examples from the past that shows that kingdom fall from separating the kingdom. It is so obvious that a country is definitely stronger than tribes. It is not because of the population, but it is because people were more united and can make more strength than just tribes. Jack, who is disagreed with Ralph’s statement, was pissed off and went off by himself. Some follow him, some stay behind.
Bell
I think the statement that Ralph mentioned, signified they cannot manage themselves for their action. Therefore, they cannot have the same thoughts to discuss about how to escape out of the island. Also, the conflict between Ralph and Jack was started since first time they met, just this time the conflict between them were more serious. For example, first time they met and was deciding who is going to be the leader, Jack showed how high-handed he was, and unrespect to other kids who were vote to Ralph. It was very important in here because here we can know how come they didn't escape from the island when the plane first time met there.
According to Ralph’s statement, “The rules are the only thing we got...!” signify the conflict between Ralph and Jack by showing how the two of them view what rules are. From Ralph’s perspective, Ralph thinks that rules are very important, because without rules, they won’t be able to govern themselves and make the island organize. On the other hand, Jack’s perspective of rules is useless, because Jack was so into hunting and adventure on the island so he doesn’t really care about it. One of the examples might be when Piggy wants to talk, and he got the conch, however, Jack doesn’t allow Piggy to talk, because he doesn’t like Piggy. Therefore, it shows that Jack was starting to break the rules and trying to separate from the others by not listening to the chief, which was Ralph. In addition, Ralph wants to be rescued, but Jack wants to stay on the island. Jack was so into hunting, as mentioned above, which made him want to start his own tribe and separate from each other. Another example that we could say about this conflict might be about the time when Jack started to separate out and leaving all of the ones that wanted to be “rescued” by themselves and start up a new tribe. Because, Jack started a new tribe so it made the “good” ones their prey. (The time when Ralph was smoked out and almost been killed by them, however, Ralph was rescued first.)
"The rules are the only thing we got" signify the conflict between Ralph and Jack by showing two opposites ideas on ruling. Ralph's way of ruling is to stick with rulse, to be organize (like a decocracy). But for Jack, he governed his people without rules, freely and somehow they beame savages. I think that they both had different personalities. Ralph is more of an adult or grown up than Jack which he sticks to living in freedom. One of the examples is that Jack and Ralph argued on which is more important- meat or fire. Then Jack separated from the group bringing his people back, because he couldn't stand Ralph and his ideas anyt\more. He thinks that he is the best, the only one.
How did governance, and the lack of it, influence and affect the choir boys in the island? Give specific examples from the movie to support your answers and make sure your response does not go beyond 15 sentences.
When they first trap on the island their first move was to call a meeting and choose a leader, to have governance. This influence a lot and it affect bigly on the choir boys. They choose Ralph as their chief, but jack was the leader of the choir when they were at school already. So Jacks starts to have conflict with Ralph, because he didn’t make chief. After that they have people not doing their jobs, not taking thing seriously. Later they start to abandon the only they have to control theirs self, Rules. The governance they set up didn’t work because they didn’t cooperate, and it even separated them in to two sides, one uses knowledge one became savage, and it cause them want to kill each other, instead of working together and getting rescue.
Asong 9A
Well, Maybe Ralph wanted an answer that really could go in his position, the answer that really could fit him. because he had actually loose all his position, and very disappointed of everyone have leave him and went to Jack. Maybe he had giveup to get back his position, but atleast he wanted someone to comfort him, or wish someone could understand him how hard is he doing his job. beside of no choice, I think he is waiting for a answer like " Things went wrong dose not matter, atleast you are right. And I believe in you, the people who leave was just boring without some fun, they will come back soon when they know that they need a real clever and keen leader like you, we will be fine.
When Ralph said, "rules are the only thing we got...!" He was trying to unite the boys. To be rescue, the only thing they can do is be together. With this in mind, Ralph of course would think that rules is the only thing they got. However on the other side, Jack didn't seem to care about being rescue as much as Ralph,and Jack wanted to have fun, therefore he was against the rules. with these, the conflict arise between them. One wanted to be rescue by uniting them with rules, the other wanted to have fun and not care about rules. A example would be when Jack left and had his own tribe, there was no rules in his tribe, everyone looked just like savages.
In my opinion, I think it is because Ralph was concerned about himself and other people that they become savages. People were going crazy and don’t want to listen to Ralph anymore. People go to Jack rather then Ralph because Jack hunt for food and become a savages. In the night Jack's tribe were running around and celebrating, since they are mad they accidentally killed Simon because they thought it was a beast. But Ralph was more organize then those savages because Ralph wanted to be rescued. Piggy was part of Ralph’s tribe so as Sam and Eric. All they need was rule because they want to settle things down and become calmer. Jack’s groups were more fun and had more freedom. Ralph was more like adult and Jack’s group was based on freedom and fun. People didn’t like Ralph because he wasn’t a good leader who acted like a coward. Jack’s group was mostly telling us that they are on their own to live by themselves who become savages.
LIT 9A
I think the statement from Ralph was about the behaviors of savages and why the other boys were joining Jack’s tribe. According to what Tina wrote, it was when most of the kids chose to be with Jack, and the situation was shifting toward the savaging side. At the beginning of the story, civilization was quite balance with savages. But as the story goes on, more and more kids found out that being in Jack’s tribe can get complete freedom. So now the balance was no longer equal. At that point of time when the kids start moving away from him, Ralph felt kind of confused, scared, and wanted someone to be like him, and support him so he asked this question, wishing that Piggy would feel the same way as he did. At one point of time, while Piggy and Ralph were chatting, Piggy said no one was with them, I think this conversation tells me about their situation now. This statement not only showed Ralph’s discomfort and also the story’s situation about more people becoming savages.
I think governance is very important for them because this is the only thing they got on the island. Governance told that what is right and what is worng because they all are still young and don't really know what is right or worng to do. At first they are still in the ruler of Ralph that why the problem does not go beyond them like when is happening, like what just Simon dead and Piggy. Jack was already the boy who was very selfish and have alot of the self confident that's wrong and other think that think was funny. And they don';t follow Ralph rule anymore so the problem is getting wrose by the end of the story.
Governance affected the choir boys in the island, because at first they had to do what Ralph said. For example, when he called a assembly with the conch then the group of boys would have to obey. Even Jack who went hunting and forgot about the fire, still had to listen to Ralph's speech, and apologize for being wrong. Governance enabled the choir boys to be civilized and controlled. For example, the group would decide on what to do as a group. Like when they decided if they was a ghost or not. Even when people weren't doing their work, Ralph would explain to them that all of them would have to work more. The lack of governance caused the entire choir boys to turn into savages. For example when Jack rebelled against Ralph, and said that rules are nothing, the group broke up. Jack's group became savages, and the only rule was the fittest won. This comes to show that one person can make a difference. Without governance the choir boys did bad things. For example, they killed Simon because they mistaken him for the monster. If there was governance then the group would think before they acted. They would also have a say, and only have to listen to Jack's words.
When the group was separated he felt guilty because he failed to do the duty of a leader. He was voted to become the leader of the group and so if the group breaks up, he will be the first one to be blame because he does not have the ability if making the group stay together. What he wanted to hear from piggy was something that might make him feel better about himself. He wanted piggy to say things like “It not your fault” or “Jack was definitely behind it” and etc. Ralph wanted some comfort so that he will feel better. So the whole idea of the conversation is to make Ralph feel better and make him think that it was not him fault.
Daniel Chaing 9A
I think “The rules are the only thing we got” is important to all of them, it's signified the conflict with Jack and Ralph because Ralph created a rules to rescue and just the rules that can make them survive. In movie, at the beginning Ralph is a leader, but they have conflict with Jack about the beast then they separate into two groups. I think if they followed the ruled that Ralph created then no one would die.
I think that “The rules are the only thing we got” that Ralph said was important because it is the only thing that the children on the island and could do. It singnified the conflict at the end of the story because Ralph is the one that follow rule strictly and got rescue at the end of the story. The example of this can be that Ralph think of the way to help them survive on the island, but Jack thinking is just only hunting. That why they became barbaric at the end of the story.
PS. Yesterday I did't post because the internet can not use.
"What's wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?"
This is a question from Ralph, when he started to see barbaric behavior from the young British boys. For example, Ralph said that rule will be followed to be organized and stable. Then as times goes by people started to pretend to be mature, because there are no civilization and grown ups to look after. Ralph was voted to be the leader, but Jack who was jealous wanted to have his own tribe to hunt pigs and get meat. Ralph’s only person to lean on is Piggy. Piggy was the only person who believed Ralph and gave good advice as a young British student. In my personal opinion, the reason why he asked Piggy this question is to, purposely hear compliment from him, so he could be confident. Because everybody left Ralph to join Jack’s tribe.
When Ralph said "The rules are the only thing we got...!" that clearly shows that there was a conflict that was building up in them. (Ralph and Jack) The rules that they made are for them to be united, so they will have more chances of being rescued. But Jack refused or disagreed to listen to Ralph and that's how the conflict began. In the movie Jack started his own tribe or group of hunters and later on they became savage and fought against Raplh and his people. so, i think that this statement "The rules are the only thing we got.." signifies the idea that led to the conflicts of Ralph and Jack in the story...
When Ralph asked that, it was the time when Jack already created his own tribe. Ralph was probably very desperate and confused, since the civilization that he created was falling apart. I think that Ralph needed someone to comfort him and assure him that it was not his fault. It seemed to me that he was the most reasonable among the kids and he knew the importance of fire. He knew what’s right and what’s wrong, but he couldn’t seem to get that idea into other kids’ head, especially Jack. They needed rules, Ralph knew that; but Jack insisted on hunting and breaking rules (for example, he argued with Ralph when Ralph said that rules were the only vital thing they have). Jack began to feel that rules are not important and his savageness overpower his logical reasoning. I mean, if he wasn’t stranded on that island, he would never dreamt of killing a pig8. Ralph felt that this was his fault because he was not being a good chief; he didn’t keep the civilization united. He needed a friend’s support and he needed Piggy to say that it was not his fault. Ralph was not a very strong person; he needed Piggy’s help. For example, when Simon died, Piggy kept reassuring him that they didn’t kill him, that they were not even in the dance.
Betty* Literature 9A
I think Ralph asked Piggy these questions is beacause he was surprise that people were being the way he could not believe. He might think he's lonly because most of people were join to Jack's tribe, and he was not consider from others. They were being like civilization, but after the fire things happened, most people decided to join Jack's tribe because there has food. Which means they also became savages, and because of that Simon was immolate. That was why Ralph felt unbelievable.
Betty* Literature 9A
I think Ralph asked Piggy these questions is beacause he was surprise that people were being the way he could not believe. He might think he's lonly because most of people were join to Jack's tribe, and he was not consider from others. They were being like civilization, but after the fire things happened, most people decided to join Jack's tribe because there had foods and more fun. Which means they also became savages, and because of that Simon was immolate. That was why Ralph felt unbelievable.
I think Ralph is trying to get an answer that can make him feel comfort and make him feels safe. The situation of team breaking apart is making Ralph confuse with his decisions. He is wondering whether a civilization with rules is better or a life with complete freedom is better. After Simon’s death, he is now in the uncomforted statement, he want people to be on his side and support him.
Ralph is feeling hopeless and desolate because at this time his ruling techniques (using law/rules and order) have not been successful and chaos has started already. Jack has already broken away and made his own group on Castle rock. Ralph is not able to keep the group together, and turns to Piggy for advice because Piggy has always been on his side and shown intelligent thinking. For example, in the opening part of the movie, Piggy and Ralph were the only two people on the island and it is Piggy who decides they should go to find other survivors, and when he finds the shell, he thinks that it would be good to blow into it to call other people that might have survived the crash. Piggy’s plan works. Also, at this point in the movie, Ralph’s group had hardly any members left and so Ralph is sad and is wondering now, if he has done the right things and been a good leader. Everything has gone wrong under his leadership and he also does not want to think that it was all his fault, so he asks Piggy “what’s wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?” He asks this because he wants sympathy and advice from Piggy. He hopes and knows that Piggy will make him feel better. Ralph is very stressed at this point and wants to find some sympathy and understanding from his team-mate. No one can survive on their own; everyone needs friend and Ralph is no different.
Cherry Lit 9A
I think he want to heard Piggy said, "all are Jack's wrong, you are right, you are a good leader." Because he wants someone can support his mind. In the movie, when the group separate into two. Everyone went to Jack’s group. Every one left Ralph. Ralph just wants to help everyone and he can go home quickly. He understands why everyone wants to go to Jack’s group. But, he can’t believe everyone wants to go Jack’s group just because Jack has meat, Ralph don’t have. So Ralph needs someone can support his thinking and his idea.
LITERATURE 9A
Hellen
When Ralph asked Piggy that, it was already during the time where in the whole group had split into two. Ralph felt bad seeing the society collapse and fall apart under his leadership. I think the reason why he asked Piggy, was because he needed some confidence, comfort, and one that stands on his side. Ralph have lost most his confidence, he even doubt upon his idea, either to work toward being rescued or to become wild savages like the others, he couldn’t identify which was right and which aren’t anymore. He didn’t understand what it was in all the other’s mind. They seemed really fine enjoying hunting and be savages as they are. No signs of them being worried were shown. Rules weren’t any longer important among them, conch shell no longer represents the right to talk and be heard, signs of all events were proving that the civilization weren’t civilized anymore, but instead, chaotic. Therefore, I think Ralph needed comfort, support, and one that can tell him that all wasn’t his fault. He thought it was his fault making things go the way it went, and Simon’s death was another example.
I think Ralph's statement "The rules are the only thing we got...!' signify the conflict because only rules can control them. There are no grown-ups who can control situation. If they have rules they should have the leader to control the rules. So the rules itself make two people wanted to become leader. Then the conflict starts because each one if they wanted to control the rules. For example there is one bar of gold and there are two people. Each one of them what to get it. So this gold bar is very expensive that it can cause conflict. This mean the two people will fight because of the gold bar like rules. They both want to get the rules to gain power. So it's like people want to fight for the thing that is very good. Of course no one want to get the bad thing. Another example is if you are in the desert and there are only one bottle of water and you found the water together. You and the another guy will probably fight for it. In conclusion this is what "The rules are the only thing we get signfied the conflict of Jack and Ralph.
In my opinion, Ralph ideas are correct, but due to his lack of confidence, he becomes very unsure and desperate. Throughout the story, Ralph is always strong in rules and being civilized, as well in wanting to be rescued. He doesn’t understand why everyone is more in becoming savages and breaking rules. For examples, Jack and the hunters start to refuse and take no notice about the conch shell; while in the beginning, people with conch shell has the right to talk. I think Ralph feels that it is his fault because he is unable to convince everyone what is the right thing to do. That is why the motivation for Ralph asking Piggy about this is simply because he needs comfort and confidence to support that his idea is correct. Also, he needs someone to stay with him and stand by his side, in this case, Piggy is the one since everyone has already gone to Jack’s side.
Literature 9A
In my opinion, Ralph asked Piggy this because he wanted to get some consolations and confidences from Piggy. Before, he also told Piggy and Simon once that he don’t want to be the leader anymore but his friend cheered him up, this showed that he was a person that need many comfort from others to have confidence. Without other people’s support, it was hard for Ralph to hold on with his choice. In this part, it was when most of the kids leaved Ralph and went to Jack’s group, because it was freer in being savage. Jack’s people won’t care about the fire or being rescue, they hunt and play everyday. For example, Jack and his hunter let the fire went off and went to hunting, which let Ralph very angry. Seeing more and more kids were happy in being savage, Ralph was confused about the idea on savage and civilization. He started to doubt that was insisting in civilization correct or not, which caused him to lose his confidence. Comparing himself to Jack, Jack made he thought that maybe having rules and working for rescue was a bad idea to lead the kids, because his group was falling apart while Jack’s group became stronger and stronger. Jack doesn’t mind about the rules on conch shell was an example of it. Because of this, he needed someone to agree on his thought and told him that insisting civilization was correct.
Cyndi's Response:
I think he just askance him self. He hopes that Piggy will comfort him about this. Because his group only left two people at that time, most of the people went to join Jack’s group. The people went to Jack’s group because being savage is better. Ralph want to know was it really better to be savage. That is why he was asking Piggy.
First, I think Ralph was a matured kid that could judges what’s right or wrong. He might not expect that other kids would easily change their behavior from civilization to savagery. Ralph decided to asked Piggy because he wanted someone who was reasonable enough to support him that he didn’t do anything wrong. Even though Ralph was reasonable, he was still a kid that needed friend or someone to comfort him. At the beginning of the story, Ralph was voted as the chief and he was responsible for everyone in the island. However, the kids were separated in to two groups because of the conflict between Jack and Ralph. Ralph might feel guilty that he didn’t perform his duty well. In the movie, Jack didn’t care about the fire, same as other kids that were playing around. Instead of that, they were paying attention to hunting the pig. Jack who was jealous of Ralph set up his tribe and convinced people to join his side. After that, everything became chaotic. Ralph, who was the leader of all the kids, was worrying that he did something wrong. He thought that he did right thing but most of the people didn’t agree with him. Therefore, he asked Piggy to make sure that there was still someone who agreed with him and always be his friend.
Literature 9A
At the point where Ralph asked Piggy why things were happening in the way they were, the children had already split up into two. Ralph had only Piggy then. By asking Piggy that question, I think that Ralph expected words of comfort and advice from Piggy. I don’t think that Ralph wanted an answer to his question because he already knew the answer, and was confident with his own opinion. He wanted advice from Piggy on how he was to get everything back to normal as Piggy was supposedly the smartest person on the island. The rules they had were all worthless and the unity between the two groups had broken apart completely. All the others had become savages. Piggy and Ralph both knew that if only there were grown ups around, things wouldn’t have been that chaotic. Because everything had gone out of control, Ralph was in desperate need of comfort from his only companion who was Piggy.
Ralph asked Piggy the question when all the boys moved to Jack’s side. I think Ralph is fishing for the response that will comfort him, or a response that will show that he’s a fine leader. At that point in the story, all of the boys had moved to Jack’s side because they don’t have to be under control (more freedom). Stress was really put on Ralph because if he was really a good leader, the others won’t move to the other side. He was feeling down at that time, so he wanted someone to bring him up and encourage him to continue his aspiration (keep on the fire, and being rescued).
Jacky 9A
Ralph asked Piggy in the movie about this statement "What's wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?”. What Ralph was really asking from Ralph was something that would comfort him. Because he had failed his job of be a leader of a civilization. The survivors from the plane crash gathered after they heard the conch sound coming from Ralph, after they meet they had a meeting. This meet was about choosing a leader to lead the group of people, Jack and Ralph was the two possible chose. And the people chose Ralph to be as the leader. Ralph stated in the movie that the only thing that they have was rules. Rules united them, without rules people will be everywhere doing anything they could do. After the people separated into two different groups, which were Jack’s hunter group and Ralph’s group, Ralph seemed to became worrying, because the people could blame anything on Ralph because he was the chosen to be the leader, and he failed the job of being a leader. So he asked that to get some replies to comfort himself.
Literature 9A
At that time when Ralph asked Piggy, everything started to become worse as we had expected. Again Ralph thought that he had led the group into fighting each other, and that everything was his fault. He felt guilty for knowing what to do to be united and civilized, and yet he couldn’t do anything about it. At this point in time, he was starting to doubt his idea of being civilized, since everyone went to Jack’s tribe for fun and chose to be savages. Realizing that everything was turning into chaos, by asking Piggy he sought for comfort to regain his confidence and also for someone to assure him that his decision was right. Before when Jack started to show signs of disobeying rules, Piggy showed Ralph that he stood by his side by comforting him, so now Ralph knew that Piggy was the only one who would insist on this idea which was why he asked Piggy.
In my opinion, when Ralph asked Piggy “What’s wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?” Ralph wanted answers that will satisfy and support him. As a kid, Ralph would want people to stay with him and tell him that he is right. In other words, he wanted to be supported and definitely comforted. In the movie, most of the boys joined Jack’s tribe because it was more fun. No one except Piggy would be on Ralph’s side so he wanted Piggy to say something like “Ralph, I will always be on your side and you did well.” Maybe the reason he was hoping for these kinds of speeches as a response was because he was starting to think whether he is right or is he wrong.
In the movie, when all the boys join jack’s tribe, Ralph asked Piggy, "What's wrong, Piggy? Why are things happening the way they are?” I think Ralph was feeling helpless and want someone to console him. It is human nature that a man will want someone to cheer him up, so that he will have to strength to fight and solve the problem. Also, Ralph wanted Piggy to help him think of a way to make the other come back to his side.
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